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At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

Elaine
10/2/2017 5:02 am EST
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At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

At least 50 dead, 200 injured at shooting on Las Vegas Strip
Oct 2, 2017
A gunman in a high-rise hotel opened fire on concertgoers at a country music festival on the Las Vegas Strip late Sunday, killing at least 50 people and injuring "in excess of 200″ others before being killed during a standoff with police, authorities said.
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Fully automatic weapon(s) shot from 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay.

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Elaine
10/2/2017 5:07 am EST
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More than 20 people were killed and more than 100 injured in a shooting on the Las Vegas Strip Sunday night police said.
Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told reporters that police responded after reports of shots being fired from the Mandalay Bay towards the Route 91 Harvest festival.

"We determined there was a shooter on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay," Lombardo said. Officers engaged the suspect, whom Lombardo described as a "local resident." He said that the shooter is dead and that police believe that there are no other shooters. "Right now we believe it's a sole actor, a lone-wolf-type actor," said Lombardo.

Police have identified the gunman but will not be naming him at this time, Lombardo said.

Though it's too early to give an accurate estimate of the number of dead and wounded, Lombardo said that "20-plus" have died and "in excess of 100" people have been injured.

Police are searching for a woman named Marilou Danley who was traveling with the suspect, Lombardo said. He described Danley as an Asian woman, 4 ft 11 inches tall and 111 pounds. "We have not located her at this time and we are interested in talking to her," he said.

Two Las Vegas police officers are being treated at a local hospital for injuries they sustained during the shooting, Lombardo said. One is in critical condition and the other sustained minor injuries.

In addition, the sheriff stated that there were off duty officers attending the concert who may have died. The identities of the officers involved have not been released.
"Pray for Las Vegas," the city's mayor tweeted. "Thank you to all our first responders out there now."

CNN spoke to three people who were attending the concert at the Las Vegas Village outdoor arena when gunfire broke out, causing them to flee. They described hearing the sound of gunfire while Jason Aldean was performing.
Aldean, his wife Brittany, his band and crew were able to get offstage safely and unharmed.

"We were close to the stages -- about six rows from the front on the left hand side and he was just performing," Rachel Dekerf said.

"People went down on the Mandalay side of the stage," Joe Pitzel said. "I don't know if people were ducking or if people were hit."

Derkef filmed her escape from the venue using her cell phone, starting just after the first shots were fired.
She described ongoing gunfire, and played out the video she had recorded during which more than five minutes of gunfire were intermittently audible.

"The gunshots lasted for 10-15 minutes. It didn't stop," she said. "We just ran for our lives."

Derkef's sister, Monique Dumas, said that everyone instantly crouched when they heard the shots.

"The band was rushed off the stage, the floodlights came on the crowd, and you see on the right hand of the stage the person who was injured, so they're calling for medics, calling for security, then there was gunfire again," Dumas said.

"It seemed there was a pause in the gunfire and the people in the yellow shirts were telling the people to 'go, go, go, go' ... the gunfire never ended, it seemed like it went on and on and on," she said.

SiriusXM Country radio host Storme Warren was on the side of the stage as Aldean was performing and shots rang out.
"I thought it was fireworks going off and maybe it mistriggered, and then it happened again. And when it happened the third time, we knew something was wrong," Warren said. "To say that I saw things I never want to see again is the truth, and it's a scary situation."
Warren said he heard "more than 50 shots fired and probably in the hundreds."

"The shells were hitting the deck of the stage when I was on it," he said, adding that he could still hear the shells as he went under the stage for protection.

A concertgoer told CNN affiliate KLAS that everybody was lying on top of each other trying to get out of the shooter's way.

"Everybody's hiding everywhere, they're hiding under the bleachers and the stanchions, anywhere they could and everyone is telling us to 'run, run as fast as you can,'" she told the news station. "And my husband and I ran out toward our car and there were people hiding underneath my car for cover and there was a gentleman who was shot and he said, 'can you help me?' and so I put him in my car and I had like six people in my car, people without shoes, running, just to get away."

Eyewitness Bryan Heifner spoke to CNN from a room in a hotel across from the Mandalay Bay, which he said he could see from his window.

"Mostly I heard the shots, just so many shots -- I just thought it was a semi braking with the air brakes, but then I went downstairs and saw people running and looking for family," he said.

"I immediately went back to my room, locked the door, turned the lights off."

Another witness told CNN affiliate KSNV that the shooting sounded like firecrackers at first.

"It didn't sound normal, it sounded like machine guns and it was like several rounds, it was like hundreds of rounds," she told the news station.

"My boyfriend had me move behind a building here because it just didn't sound right," she told KSNV. "And then we hid behind a building and we could just hear hundreds of rounds going off and then about 10 minutes later the police came and just blocked off all the streets."

She said she was about a block from the Route 91 Harvest festival.

Facebook has set up a crisis response page to help people establish whether their loved ones are safe.

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Elaine
10/2/2017 5:18 am EST
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Caution: disturbing

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Elaine
10/2/2017 5:39 am EST
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Las Vegas gunman suspect is Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada: NBC News

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Anonymous Coward
10/2/2017 9:15 am EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

His girlfriend/possible wife is an Indonesian and that's a Muslim country. She likely radicalized him.

Anonymous Coward
10/2/2017 9:43 am EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

I doubt he was radicalized by a Muslim. That's funny, actually.

More likely he ran up a shitload of gambling debts. He checked in Sept 28th.

Anonymous Coward
10/2/2017 9:49 am EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

What I am wondering is how he shot from the building. The hotel doesn't appear to have balconies. I've been checking room accommodations.

If no balcony, did he break a window, which is next to impossible, or did he bring a glass cutter?

Anonymous Coward
10/2/2017 10:38 am EST
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My roommate, who is military, says it was planned in advance. My opinion is we don't know that yet.

He also said that he broke a window and built platforms. Not likely because alarms would go off if he broke a window and it would take a few days to construct a platform with a broken window. Now, don't you think that the hotel would notice a broken window?

I didn't find any rooms with balconies.

katya
10/2/2017 10:54 am EST
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This is chilling...

One woman, who was at the Route 91 music event, claimed an unidentified woman had told other concert-goers they were "all going to die" after pushing her way to the front of the venue.

The witness, 21, told local news: "She had been messing with a lady in front of her and telling her she was going to die, that we were all going to die.

"They escorted her out to make her stop messing around with all the other people, but none of us knew it was going to be serious."

She described the lady as Hispanic. The lady was escorted from the venue along with a man.

The unnamed witness, who was attending the event on her 21st birthday, described the pair as short, both around 5 ft 5ins to 5ft 6ins tall, and looked like "everyday people".

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/861252/Las-Vegas-shooting-latest-news-Mandalay-Bay-Route-91-Marilou-Danley
Pocahontas would not be proud of her as her representative.

katya
10/2/2017 10:57 am EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

If no balcony, did he break a window, which is next to impossible, or did he bring a glass cutter?


Gee, maybe he shot it out-- just a thought.

Pocahontas would not be proud of her as her representative.

Anonymous Coward
10/2/2017 11:07 am EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

Reports coming in he was an anti-Trump extremist, attended anti-Trump rallies.

Anonymous Coward
10/2/2017 12:53 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

The poo pit mentioned the shooter is a Lockheed Martin employee. The Columbine killer parents used to work for Lockheed.

Eve
10/2/2017 1:38 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

Someone from Glop said that?
Weird because I read it was Benjamin Hoskins Paddock...



The suspect's brother, Eric Paddock, has told television networks that their father was a bank robber who spent time on the FBI's "Most Wanted" list, but that he was not a part of the family's life.

"My father was on the top 10 list for a while. His name was Benjamin Hoskins Paddock. We didn't know him. I didn't know him. He was in jail and broken out of jail."

Paddock echoed police about his brother's non-existent criminal record. "He doesn't even have parking tickets," he said.

"He was a wealthy guy and he liked to play video poker. He went on cruises. He sent his mother cookies, big crazy boxes of cookies and stuff."

Archived newspapers from the 1960s show that Benjamin Paddock was wanted for bank robberies in Arizona. A clipping from 6 October 1960, from the Arizona Republic, calls Paddock "a three-time bank robber"and "garbage disposal sales and service man" from Tucson. The article says he was arrested and indicted that year for robbing Phoenix banks of about $25,000.

A 1971 clipping from the Tucson Daily Citizen said that the bank robber was named to the FBI's list after he escaped a Texas prison in 1968. The article says that before his 1960 arrest Paddock lived in Tucson with a wife and four children.

An FBI poster from the era names Benjamin Hoskins Paddock - along with several aliases, including "Chromedome" and "Old Baldy" - as an "armed and dangerous" suspect convicted of bank robbery, automobile larceny and "confidence game".

Paddock was captured in Oregon 10 years after his escape from prison, according to law enforcement officials cited by NBC News.

Eve
10/2/2017 1:47 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

Good thread Elaine! I just got on an hour ago to write about this topic ,but you beat me to it. Here's some more breaking news:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html

58 killed, 515 hurt in Las Vegas Strip massacre

It's bizarre! First they say his name is Benjamin and now it's Stephen...

About five feet from me, you could see a guy with a bullet wound right in his neck, motionless," witness Taylor Benge said. "From there on ... people just started dropping like flies."
Alexandria Cheplak, 25, called her father as she ran from the bullets.
"Everyone's dying around me," Jon Cheplak recalled her saying. "Everyone's dying. They shot my friend ... I've got to get out of here."
The gunman, identified as 64-year-old Stephen Paddock, unleashed a hail of bullets from the 32nd floor of the nearby Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said Monday.

Eve
10/2/2017 1:50 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

In this link you can also see a map of his broken out windows and the logistics of the area.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html

Elaine
10/2/2017 5:39 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

I never could understand why these spree shooters do the things they do.

Well medicated for your protection. ॐ ♡

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Eve
10/2/2017 6:06 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

I never could understand why these spree shooters do the things they do.


It's all different reasons.I'm curious to know this bank robbing knuckle heads whys ,but they just need to be removed permanently. Even with the story I posted last week of a husband that scalped his wife and tortured her while her back scalp was already removed for hours. Tha woman lived for hours after the removal... Ugh!
There's no telling what they'll say. In my opinion the chair or gas chamber isn't good enough.Their souls need to be removed. It's just too crazy to wrap my mind around them actually coming back as a baby just to be recycled back here to do it again. There's traits in these people.They don't feel like what they did was wrong.They just don't. Horrible!

Elaine
10/2/2017 6:22 pm EST
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Well, I don't think anybody has an evil soul. There are some issues caused by brain damage, lead poisoning, etc. Then some people are born narcissists, with no ability to have compassion or empathy.

I am very familiar with these type. Hell, I was married to one years ago. If I remember correctly, I read in one of my books on tibetan buddhism that the sould had a few parts, and they think that these damaged people are missing a part of their soul.

Who knows.

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Dave
10/2/2017 7:00 pm EST
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fnord
10/2/2017 9:39 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

Video surfaces with sound and muzzle flashes from 30cal machine gun firing from 4th floor.

fnord
10/2/2017 9:40 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

See Veterans Today for details

Anonymous Coward
10/2/2017 10:28 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

https://theconversation.com/what-drives-lone-offenders-62745

This is an interesting article. A lot of history and links to back up the statements.

Eve
10/2/2017 10:34 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

If I remember correctly, I read in one of my books on Tibetan Buddhism that the should had a few parts, and they think that these damaged people are missing a part of their soul.

Who knows.


I find that interesting and can agree with some of that. I have theories going that route too,but this world with alternate worlds is such a big cess pool... It's impossible for me to not agree that in some cases your theory fits them.

But, Whats weird with this guy is he wasn't a loner, he had a couple of houses,was a successful gambler,and he seemed to always have a lady in his life. I made the mistake of the name Benjamin. Benjamin was his biological father and was a notorious bank robber. Edit to add Stephan is the shooters name. He actually did work for "Lockheed Martin" at one time.

Here's more about his profile: https://www.yahoo.com/news/portrait-mass-killer-details-dont-add-231217887.html

He's really different than what I thought.

Anonymous Coward
10/2/2017 10:34 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

Reports coming in he was an anti-Trump extremist, attended anti-Trump rallies.


Disinfo, same as the 30 cals from the 4th floor.

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/kathleenchaykowski/2017/10/02/facebook-and-google-still-have-a-fake-news-problem-las-vegas-shooting-reveals/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tn-vegas-fake-news-20171002-story.html

On the heels of the ten mil who saw fake russian planted stories on lookatmebook.

Oh wait, of course, Alex Jones had to get into it.
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/alex-jones-channel-goes-bonkers-over-vegas-false-flag-a-new-civil-war-is-coming-to-overthrow-government/

I laugh at you false flag idiots.

Anonymous Coward
10/2/2017 10:48 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

I neglected to mention the always reliably wacky religious right nut job, Pat Robertson.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/watch-pat-robertson-blames-vegas-shooting-on-disrespect-for-trump-and-the-national-anthem/

Why do these assholes always make it about themselves and forget about the victims? Then if analyzed and criticized for the neo-narcissists they are they get upset.

No. Focus on the victims and doing your job. Chief Lombardo did an excellent job at the second press briefing this morning. He seems to have it under control for such a major catastrophe. Information is flowing and the people of Las Vegas are working together.

p.s. donate blood even if you don't live there. Contiguous states often send supplies, and then they need to be replenished. It's a domino effect.

Anonymous Coward
10/2/2017 11:37 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/02/las-vegas-shooting-fake-news-guns-215670?lo=ap_c1

We dived into the rabbit holes of right-wing and fringe media sites Monday and here is what we found. The morning began with Gateway Pundit, an outlet that managed to procure a White House press credential, publishing a story that fingered the wrong suspect in the shooting, which it then retracted. From the depths of 4chan there were posts that tied Paddock to the anti-Trump Antifa (short for antifascist) movement and a fake Antifa Twitter account that praised the shooting. There were 4chan commenters claiming the number of victims was fabricated–as well as the number of shooters.

Unsurprisingly, nothing was as egregious as Jones, the conspiracy monger who has asserted the Newtown school massacre was staged. Jones tied Paddock, the 64-year-old retiree to ISIS–seizing on an unconfirmed report from the terrorist group–and, remarkably, to a Communist takeover of the country. "It's the October Revolution, that stretched into November and December," he declared "It's the 100-year anniversary of the Bolshevik Revolution. We're here. It's happening now. This is real."

And so as details trickled out about Paddock's past (gambling habits, grumpy encounters with neighbors, his father's bank robbery spree) and the details of his heartbreaking rampage, journalists embarked on what has become a familiar mission in the wake of national breaking events: Debunking the rumors and deliberate falsehoods that were already reaching viral strength before many people on the East Coast had even heard there was a shooting. Compounding the problem, as the media attempted to bat down the misinformation, platforms like Facebook and Google were spreading even further, promoting "trending" news stories from Russian propaganda outlets like Sputnik and returning search results for the very story that Gateway Pundit retracted.

Anonymous Coward
10/3/2017 8:07 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

There's a gory pic of the gunman on live leak. Can't miss it. Literally and figuratively.

Anonymous Coward
10/3/2017 10:09 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

Mass shootings since January 1, 2013. There has been 1,516 (in 1,735 days). Defined as four or more shot at the same time.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/oct/02/america-mass-shootings-gun-violence

Organized by date and city.

Anonymous Coward
10/4/2017 12:42 am EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

More reading material, which I know you are eagerly devouring between the petty spats and forum lather.

Most of them are a bit left, but the majority are research based. Links to them within the link:

http://digg.com/2017/best-articles-about-gun-control

I've been hitting up digg since about 1997, they have evolved, not always in a good way (selling shit) but they still have some good posts. This is a collection of articles over the last few years on gun control, and the issues surrounding it. I'd classify, e.g. label them as slightly left of center.

katya
10/4/2017 1:38 am EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

I notice that none of you are trolling me on the LV thread, even if you could tell it was me.
Pocahontas would not be proud of her as her representative.

smiley

Anonymous Coward
10/4/2017 1:41 am EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

So she quotes from another thread and trolls a thread about a mass shooting.

Classy.

Anonymous Coward
10/4/2017 1:45 am EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

Profiles of the victims.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/vegas-victims-names.html

Jolly
10/4/2017 10:07 am EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

I notice that none of you are trolling me on the LV thread, even if you could tell it was me.


Wow! Are you actually that fucktarded?

Maybe its because you haven't been spouting your usual interminable personal horseshit perhaps?

Oh until you basically asked for people to come troll you here.

Fucking hell!
smiley

Anonymous Coward
10/4/2017 11:51 pm EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

Jolly, shut the fuck up. This isn't about you or me. Get the fuck over it. Dumbass.

This thread is about a mass killing. Stay on topic and insult me on another thread.

Quit disrespecting the dead you fucktard.

59 dead and 500+ wounded and all you care about is your trivial little spats with people on an internet forum?

You are completely devoid of humanity.

Elaine
10/5/2017 12:03 am EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

Las Vegas Strip shooter targeted aviation fuel tanks

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Anonymous Coward
10/5/2017 12:43 am EST
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RE: At Least 50 Dead, More Than 200 Injured, After Mass Shooting In Las Vegas [updated]

http://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2017/10/the-las-vegas-shooter-didnt-just-snap-they-never-do/


When I did risk assessment, rearrest and bail jumping were predictable among the general population. But the prediction of a violent outburst is next to impossible. In all the training I conducted I told them to ignore the violence risk scale because it was poorly conceived and much of the violent acts by people in our pool was situational. Urban shootings.

In domestic violence situations it pretty much is predictable. Your best risk assessor comes in the words of a victim that says "He is going to kill me." If she says that to a cop, take heed.

Violence like what happened in LV is not necessarily predictable, but there are multiple dots that just don't seem to get connected. Primarily because people that commit mass shootings are never really on the radar. If there was an effort to connect the dots, it would be Gestapo.

They may go to a website here and there, but that in and of itself is not enough. If they don't talk to anyone, there is no detectable chatter to put them on the radar.

People around them see an issue here and there, might converse "my how he's changed" but the gun dealer doesn't know that, and it is not his business to know that. People at work will find odd habits, or changing habits. But is that something you call the police over?

That hotel had how many hundreds of rooms? How many people check in and out every day? Even with a high ratio of employee to guest. No. Are they even trained? No. That is not their job. I commend the security guard.

To predict an incident like this is impossible. It is like the puzzle with a few key pieces missing that the cat chewed on and then you find them later.

This paints a potentially scary future. We all pay for the actions of a few. I don't really see a problem with a national database of firearm purchases. Hell, they run you through before you buy, why can't they just report the serial numbers? I've owned six, but I don't see the need to own 46. Collector yes, but a large number of purchases should be a red flag. Hence, a database.

That comes back to a very salient point.

Let's call this what it is: domestic terrorism.

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